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. >> reporter: president obama today, in washington, assured business executives he'll reject attempts to link the fiscal cliff budget negotiations to future increases in the nation's debt ceiling. "the new york times" reported republicans might accept higher tax rates on wealthier americans to avoid triggering tax hikes for everyone. in return, they'd demand greater spending cuts next year before raising the federal borrowing limit. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game because we've got to... we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: the 2011 standoff between the president and republicans led the nation to the brink of national default. standard and poor's even lowered its rating on u.s. government bonds. now, the president has proposed he be given authority to raise the debt ceiling without congressional action. house republ
. >> reporter: president obama today, in washington, assured business executives he'll reject attempts to link the fiscal cliff budget negotiations to future increases in the nation's debt ceiling. "the new york times" reported republicans might accept higher tax rates on wealthier americans to avoid triggering tax hikes for everyone. in return, they'd demand greater spending cuts next year before raising the federal borrowing limit. >> if congress in any way suggests that...
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obama's plan to extend tax cuts for most americans while allowing them to go up for the richest, and start the fight all over again during debt limit talks early next year. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it is a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: and brian, tonight, the white house is preparing in case the country does go over that fiscal cliff, budget officials have asked all federal agencies for information that they need in case of possible plans in case of those automatic spending cuts that could go in place in just 27 days. >> peter alexander at the white house for us tonight. thank you. >>> and up next, the loss today of a legend in american music. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ i took my son fishing every year. we had a great spot, not easy to find, but worth it. but with copd making it hard to breathe, i thought those days migh
obama's plan to extend tax cuts for most americans while allowing them to go up for the richest, and start the fight all over again during debt limit talks early next year. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it is a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: and brian, tonight, the white house is preparing in case the country does go over that fiscal cliff, budget officials have asked all federal agencies for information that they need...
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incomes $40,000 to $64,000 would see taxes rise $2,000 and in the $64,000 to $108,000 bracket taxes go up $3,500 a year. mr. obama and the republican speaker of the house talked this over today and here's major garrett at the white house. major? >> reporter: scott, ther there a code of silence the white house and speaker boehner's try to apply to these phone conversations, releasing as few details as possible to protect the underlying negotiations. nevertheless, cbs news has learned the following: the speaker and the president spoke before treasury secretary tkpwaoeugter in'ers.e.c.geithneg over the cliff, the conversation was described as brief, meaning shorter than the 28-minute conversation speaker boehner and the president had last week. also those familiar with the conversation tell me -- or do not used a skwrebgive thes like "curt," "frank" and "direct" meaning it was probably more gentle. also i'm told scott this is no longer a time for check-in phone calls between these two leaders. everything now is substantive about the underlying merit of what treasury secretary tkpwaoeugter
incomes $40,000 to $64,000 would see taxes rise $2,000 and in the $64,000 to $108,000 bracket taxes go up $3,500 a year. mr. obama and the republican speaker of the house talked this over today and here's major garrett at the white house. major? >> reporter: scott, ther there a code of silence the white house and speaker boehner's try to apply to these phone conversations, releasing as few details as possible to protect the underlying negotiations. nevertheless, cbs news has learned the...
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amount, then i might not be able to hire them because of it. >> reporter: president obama pressed his case tuesday with ceos of some of the country's largest companies. >> and i'm here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: the president says he wants to raise tax rates on just about everyone in the room to balance the budget. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering, but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> reporter: the president said once republicans put rate hikes on the table, the two sides could find compromise. danielle nottingham, cbs news, washington. >> if you want to track the developments in all the conversations and negotiations, we've made it easy for you to keep track of the fiscal cliff. log onto www.wusa9.com and click on fiscal cliff. >>> it is a tax originally designed to make sure that the wealthy folks pay at least some tax, but the middle class could feel even more pain if we go off that fiscal cliff because the alternative minimum tax which was passed
amount, then i might not be able to hire them because of it. >> reporter: president obama pressed his case tuesday with ceos of some of the country's largest companies. >> and i'm here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: the president says he wants to raise tax rates on just about everyone in the room to balance the budget. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering, but rather because...
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. >> reporter: president obama is rejecting the republican proposal because it does not raise taxes on households making more than $250,000 a year. the gop is offering to close tax loopholes and limit deductions instead. >> now, the revenues were put in. going to come from, guess who? the rich. . >> reporter: health republicans say if bush era tax cuts aren't extended for everyone, it will hurt the economy. and they invited small business owners here to capitol hill to make their point. >> reporter: max olsen opened an insurance company this year and is concerned he won't be able to add employees. >> you add their payroll, plus an extra tax amount. then i might not be able to hire them because of it. >> reporter: president obama pressed his case tuesday with ceos of some of the country's largest companies. >> and i'm here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: the president says he wants to raise tax rates on just about everyone in the room to balance the budget. >> we're not insisting on rates. just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickeri
. >> reporter: president obama is rejecting the republican proposal because it does not raise taxes on households making more than $250,000 a year. the gop is offering to close tax loopholes and limit deductions instead. >> now, the revenues were put in. going to come from, guess who? the rich. . >> reporter: health republicans say if bush era tax cuts aren't extended for everyone, it will hurt the economy. and they invited small business owners here to capitol hill to make...
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president obama, you know the deal, he wants to raise tax rates for the wealthy. house speaker john boehner wants to close tax loopholes, limit deductions for the wealthy. let's stay on the hill here, let's talk to senior congressional correspondent dana bash. we know the speaker -- we know speaker boehner met with conservative republicans today. did he get any backlash today from his plan? >> reporter: you know what, interestingly it doesn't seem like he did. we know that conservatives are not happy with the idea that their own house republican leadership proposed a plan that includes $800 billion in new revenue. we have seen -- reported on it extensively yesterday and the day before about the e-mail alerts that conservative groups have put out, republican senator jim demint was up-front about the fact he's not happy about it. however, when it comes to speaker boehner's own republican conference, as it is called, we're told they met for an hour and there wasn't backlash, that they were united behind him. it seems as though, brooke, that the speaker has, for now,
president obama, you know the deal, he wants to raise tax rates for the wealthy. house speaker john boehner wants to close tax loopholes, limit deductions for the wealthy. let's stay on the hill here, let's talk to senior congressional correspondent dana bash. we know the speaker -- we know speaker boehner met with conservative republicans today. did he get any backlash today from his plan? >> reporter: you know what, interestingly it doesn't seem like he did. we know that conservatives...
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part one taxes. in the new year, taxes go up on everyone unless washington takes action. the government needs more money. president obama wants to get some of it from the top 2% of wage earners. he wants to raise their tax rate and limit how much they can deduct. the white house says this will bring in $1.6 trillion over ten years. >> that's what the american people have voted for. >> republicans say they'll agree to bring in more money, but not by raising tax rates. in fact, they want to lower tax rates for everyone. instead they'd raise money only by limits deductions and closing loopholes. speaker boehner says this will raise $800 billion over ten years. >> america faces a serious problem. our goal is to make sure it gets solved. >> step two, avoiding the drastic spending cuts that begin on january 1st, the so-called sequester. both sides want to find savings in medicare, but disagree about how to do it. >> we need a responsible white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> and step three? the debt limit. >> i will not play that game. >> because we've
part one taxes. in the new year, taxes go up on everyone unless washington takes action. the government needs more money. president obama wants to get some of it from the top 2% of wage earners. he wants to raise their tax rate and limit how much they can deduct. the white house says this will bring in $1.6 trillion over ten years. >> that's what the american people have voted for. >> republicans say they'll agree to bring in more money, but not by raising tax rates. in fact, they...
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taxes on the wealthiest americans. and nato agreed to deploy patriot missiles in turkey to defend against syrian shells and rockets that cross the border. online, historian michael beschloss offers a snapshot of an ailing lyndon johnson, days before the former president's death. hari sreenivasan has the story. >> sreenivasan: 40 years ago this month, the man who would be remembered as an architect of the vietnam war agonized over his legacy. we have a glimpse into l.b.j.'s final months with a recording of a phone conversation he had with then-president richard nixon. you can listen to it on the rundown. and on the business desk, we answer the most frequently asked question from our "ask the headhunter" series: how do you get noticed by your dream employer? all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. gwen? >> ifill: and that's the newshour for tonight. on wednesday, we'll examine how rising carbon dioxide levels are affecting florida's coral reefs. i'm gwen ifill. >> woodruff: and i'm judy woodruff. we'll se
taxes on the wealthiest americans. and nato agreed to deploy patriot missiles in turkey to defend against syrian shells and rockets that cross the border. online, historian michael beschloss offers a snapshot of an ailing lyndon johnson, days before the former president's death. hari sreenivasan has the story. >> sreenivasan: 40 years ago this month, the man who would be remembered as an architect of the vietnam war agonized over his legacy. we have a glimpse into l.b.j.'s final months...
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he has a trillion -- there's $1 trillion of tax increases baked into the cake because of obama's 20 taxes in obamacare. 90% of those tax increases that obama put into obamacare were conveniently put in to take effect after he got re-elected to the presidency. so there a massive tidal wave of obama tax increases coming at the american people, starting in january. has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. that's something we pointed out and is a fair point. but let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are -- i mean, they're going to go up on somebody. i just believe that this is what is going to happen. i think tom cole thinks it's going to happen. i think tom coburn thinks it's going to happen. i wanted to play a bite from him and get your reaction. here he is. >> sure. >> i'm okay to compromise even on some of my issues, if, in fact, we'll solve the problem. but what we have is a game being played f
he has a trillion -- there's $1 trillion of tax increases baked into the cake because of obama's 20 taxes in obamacare. 90% of those tax increases that obama put into obamacare were conveniently put in to take effect after he got re-elected to the presidency. so there a massive tidal wave of obama tax increases coming at the american people, starting in january. has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those...
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it sounded to me like president obama talking about tax rates. >> is this dead or still alive? >> it is still alive. and it is ugly. but the piece that you mentioned. setting aside some of the substance here. there is a new poll out today that shows the public unchanged. it has been that way for weeks now. they had a proposal and i think it is middle ground and they put it in a letter and leaked it to the press. i think you heard what you heard from the president all along. >> i have to say, i agree with guy. part of the challenge here is the president knows that he's got the public on his side. also remember the exit polling from the elections that shows people are fine with taxes going up on the top 2%. this is part of why the deal from john boehner was a non starter. he said how about deduction caps so you have lots of taxes. is he in trouble with his right wing? >> yes, he is. they have purged the scam. you said it. spending cuts. they are talking about $350 billion. what matters here is the numbers. we can't afford this. we have $16 trillion in debt. we have $87 trillion i
it sounded to me like president obama talking about tax rates. >> is this dead or still alive? >> it is still alive. and it is ugly. but the piece that you mentioned. setting aside some of the substance here. there is a new poll out today that shows the public unchanged. it has been that way for weeks now. they had a proposal and i think it is middle ground and they put it in a letter and leaked it to the press. i think you heard what you heard from the president all along. >>...
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stuart: president obama will not budge on raising tax rates on the rich. speaker boehner responded to that this morning with a very brief statement, almost a bust, saying the president has an obligation to come up with a plan that would pass congress. not much response from the market. in fact zero response from the markets at all. citigroup shares moving this morning. citi announced plans to lay off, cut, 11,000 jobs worldwide. it will save more than a billion dollars in expenses. citi calls the job plan a repositioning of the company. the stock is up 4%. netflix down again after announcing a massive deal with disney that gives netflix exclusive rights to run disney movies first. investors don't like the cost of the deal. 300 million dollars a year. doesn't even begin till 2016. the stock is down. mike reagan is next with a new low -- i'm calling it a new low reached by the california teachers' union. mike reagan is next on that. stuart: you've got to take a look at this video out of california. it's incredible. it is from the teachers' union. >> because
stuart: president obama will not budge on raising tax rates on the rich. speaker boehner responded to that this morning with a very brief statement, almost a bust, saying the president has an obligation to come up with a plan that would pass congress. not much response from the market. in fact zero response from the markets at all. citigroup shares moving this morning. citi announced plans to lay off, cut, 11,000 jobs worldwide. it will save more than a billion dollars in expenses. citi calls...
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avoiding the fiscal cliff is coming down to taxes. president obama told bloomberg tv yesterday he is willing to be flexible, but there will be no deal unless republicans agree to raise income tax rates on the top 2% of wage earners in america. this week the gop offered a proposal that continues tax breaks for everyone while making cuts to medicare and social security. the president and democrats say the lack of a tax hike on the wealthy is leaving budget talks at an impasse. "60% of americans support asking millionaires to pay slightly more. many republicans feel the same way. the only ones who feel differently are the ones who work in this building. we can't let these negotiations be dictated by the tea party." "we've wasted an enormous amount of time here sparring back and forth in public, and it strikes me it's a good time to get serious about the proposals. traders are keying off market moves for clues about the economy. scott bauer of trading advantage joins us now. scott, what is the gold market telling traders about the prosepe
avoiding the fiscal cliff is coming down to taxes. president obama told bloomberg tv yesterday he is willing to be flexible, but there will be no deal unless republicans agree to raise income tax rates on the top 2% of wage earners in america. this week the gop offered a proposal that continues tax breaks for everyone while making cuts to medicare and social security. the president and democrats say the lack of a tax hike on the wealthy is leaving budget talks at an impasse. "60% of...
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president obama dug in his heels today insisting on tax revenues for higher income earners but at a hint of compromise he said he would consider lowering tax breaks again next year. mr. obama wants to raise taxes on individuals who make more than $200,000 a year and on couples making more than $250. he said this today. the way to recovery. bill whitaker reports from california. schools close as the flu bug spreads. elaine quijano reports on where the virus is woshs and how efgtd the vaccine can be. and what city in america. >> raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with >> the issues is that we are going to have to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with very you have to cuts that we've already made and we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> pelley: that, the republican house speaker said in response, will never work. the republican counter offer cuts spending and raises taxes for no one and nancy cordes has the state of play as of tonight. nancy? >> reporter: scott, a dispute erupted today ov
president obama dug in his heels today insisting on tax revenues for higher income earners but at a hint of compromise he said he would consider lowering tax breaks again next year. mr. obama wants to raise taxes on individuals who make more than $200,000 a year and on couples making more than $250. he said this today. the way to recovery. bill whitaker reports from california. schools close as the flu bug spreads. elaine quijano reports on where the virus is woshs and how efgtd the vaccine can...
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yesterday obama also appeared to showroom for flexibility on actually relowering those tax rates in the future. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgement that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. p what i've suggested is let's essentially put a down payment on taxes. let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform, we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close, and it's possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that points. >> in the meantime, now the gop is fighting with itself. speaker boehner is facing growing backlash from the more conse
yesterday obama also appeared to showroom for flexibility on actually relowering those tax rates in the future. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgement that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go...
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president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the sameç people pay moref their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax increases next year. >> so, john boehner, the speaker for the republican party in this partisan fight is saying, he's already socking it to the rich. he's willing to raise their taxes in various forms but just not the rate. isn't he agreeing in principle to the president's argument of fairness? isn't he in a weaker position to deny a rate change? governor? >> sure he is, chris. number one, he hasn't specified
president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the sameç people pay moref their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's...
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, and it was very clear on obama wanted tax raised for the highest income americans. didn't the american people make that choice in voting for him, the electoral college and the popular vote? so isn't it incumbent on republicans to at least accept some upper income tax raise there? >> i think that the american public voted for the status quo. they voted for the gridlock that they had before the election. i think it's a little foolish of the american people to think they are going to get something different based on what they voted for. >> you think they want the status quo? >> people are locked in in the house, largely for redistricting. well, they voted for it. whether they wanted it or not, to think these people are going to change long-held habits based on one election, i think is a little bit silly. we're going to have gridlock in washington and frankly, i think gridlock is a good thing, not a bad thing. it keeps congress from taking away more liberties. >> the other thing, anderson, is that when you look at the members of congress, overwhelmingly, they were re-el
, and it was very clear on obama wanted tax raised for the highest income americans. didn't the american people make that choice in voting for him, the electoral college and the popular vote? so isn't it incumbent on republicans to at least accept some upper income tax raise there? >> i think that the american public voted for the status quo. they voted for the gridlock that they had before the election. i think it's a little foolish of the american people to think they are going to get...
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economists are with obama on this issue. obama campaigned on tax fairness, won on tax fairness. the public is with him. the third point ron didn't respond to, it is a matter of fact republicans have paraded for the last -- since anybody can remember as the party that wants to rein in government spend çpentagon. austerity regiment is a republican idea. when it comes time to put the your money where the mouth is, republicans are unable to identify significant cuts other than play on the margins? it makes my central point which is the tea party movement, which are the inmates in control of the asylum and republican party right now is an intellectually bankrupt movement. there is time to show the cuts and they can't do it. >> can i very quickly -- >> that was a psychiatric reference there, martin. you didn't cut him off on that. in fairness -- >> i just want to quickly say, in 2002 dick cheney said deficits don't matter. when republicans crammed through the bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 through reconciliation, they wrote them to expire. they are the ones who made them expire and
economists are with obama on this issue. obama campaigned on tax fairness, won on tax fairness. the public is with him. the third point ron didn't respond to, it is a matter of fact republicans have paraded for the last -- since anybody can remember as the party that wants to rein in government spend çpentagon. austerity regiment is a republican idea. when it comes time to put the your money where the mouth is, republicans are unable to identify significant cuts other than play on the...
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but president obama quickly dismissed it because it includes no tax increase for the wealthiest americans. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> there's only one person out of 307 million americans who can sign something into law. that's the president. >> a "washington post" poll shows 53% of americans will blame republicans if the nation goes over the so-called "fiscal cliff." 29% would hold the president responsible. >>> shares of pandora media fell nearly 20% in after-hours trading on a disurge asking outlook for their current quarter. the oakland-based internet radio company says it expects to lose between 6 and 9 cents a share in the 4th quarter. they reported 3rd quarter profits tripled to $2 million. that worked out to a penny a share and apparently not enough. >>> "star wars" franchise is officially gone to disneyland. federal regulators have cleared disney's $4 billion purchase. lucasfilm. filmmaker empire behind the "star wars" franchise. sale was announced back this october. disney says it plans to may sequels to the six-part "star wars" series so get
but president obama quickly dismissed it because it includes no tax increase for the wealthiest americans. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> there's only one person out of 307 million americans who can sign something into law. that's the president. >> a "washington post" poll shows 53% of americans will blame republicans if the nation goes over the so-called "fiscal cliff." 29% would hold the president responsible. >>>...
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lou: president obama is loking to hide even more taxe to find more taxable victms beyond the so-called ich. but there are yet more conditionsas white ouse press secretary jay carney today reminded us. the president emnds any deal is dependent upon a hike in the nation det ceiling. carney says the debt ceiling is another issue the preident simply cannot bring himself to negotiate with those lowly republicans on the hill. and today began a new campaign of blame for the national debt directedat, yes, congress. me. >> your not going to negotiate over what is a fundamental responsibility congress, which is to pay the bills that congress cured. ithould beart of the dal. it should be done, and it should be done without trauma. lou: the president is not alone in demands for non negotiation of vat regions of the federal wastand. me ongressional democrats are also very spcific about hat they refuse to egotiate as well. for example, the conggessional black caucus nnounced that it is strony opposed to any cuts in medicare, medicaid, or soial curity saying entitlements mply cannot be considered in
lou: president obama is loking to hide even more taxe to find more taxable victms beyond the so-called ich. but there are yet more conditionsas white ouse press secretary jay carney today reminded us. the president emnds any deal is dependent upon a hike in the nation det ceiling. carney says the debt ceiling is another issue the preident simply cannot bring himself to negotiate with those lowly republicans on the hill. and today began a new campaign of blame for the national debt directedat,...
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meanwhile president obama held his ground insigs on higher tax rates for the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. >>> the political wrangling but a damper on wall street as stocks finished slightly lower in a light strad trading day. the dow jones industrial lost 13, the nasdaq shed 5. shares in oakland-based pandora are plum etting after hours. the internet radio company posted better-than-expected quarterly results but lowered its outlook for the rest of the fiscal year. the company is facing stiffer competition from the likes of apple and microsoft. both companies are launching their own music service. pandora shares dropped 17% after the closing bell. >>> now, numbers and new numbers show home sales in california remain steady, a sign of the recovering housing market, but as john reports, in one bay area community, the supply of homes on the market is as tight as can be. >> tuesday's in walnut creek are normally reserved for real estate brokers to tour each other's available homes, but today the inventory was anything but normal. >> there are very few listings on the market, and th
meanwhile president obama held his ground insigs on higher tax rates for the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. >>> the political wrangling but a damper on wall street as stocks finished slightly lower in a light strad trading day. the dow jones industrial lost 13, the nasdaq shed 5. shares in oakland-based pandora are plum etting after hours. the internet radio company posted better-than-expected quarterly results but lowered its outlook for the rest of the fiscal year. the company...
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cliff, and everybody's taxes will be raise. i think president obama is less frigened of going over the cliff tha the republicans are, that is why the republicans are making all concessioos. i tell you, if we go over the cliff, here is what he wouldo, sa okay, now, everyone's tax have been raised, it happened because the republicans wanted stand by their fat cat friends, while i tell you, what their taxes will stay where they are increased and i have a tax cut f 98% of aricans that will send up to the hill a seen as congress gets back here, we restore the bush tax cuts for middle class and workin work cst the rich are paying their fair share, and i think that country will applaud. neil: you think he comes out a hero, that is why republicans fear if that scenario they lose. >> they are i a lose-se situatio onl thing obama has to fear is, if he plays it hardball, and takes us over tha@ cliff,n play the savior beyond the cliff. its possible that we could have a real downturn, a real recessn. and a real problem in the economy,nhich
cliff, and everybody's taxes will be raise. i think president obama is less frigened of going over the cliff tha the republicans are, that is why the republicans are making all concessioos. i tell you, if we go over the cliff, here is what he wouldo, sa okay, now, everyone's tax have been raised, it happened because the republicans wanted stand by their fat cat friends, while i tell you, what their taxes will stay where they are increased and i have a tax cut f 98% of aricans that will send up...
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>>eric: president obama taking the tax hike show on road to america's c.e.o. touting higher taxes today at a business roundtable. small businesses say the hikes he wants will kill jobs but at least one big business ain't buying it. here is what the fedex c.e.o. says, there is a lost mythology in washington, dc such as small business creates all the jobs in the united states, and if you raise the rates on the top 2 percent you kill jobs. the reality is the vast majority of jobs in the united states are produced by capital investment, in equipment, and software, that is not done by small business. try telling that to the owner of an auto mall on long island. small business owner, what do you think when you hear a big guy, big business guy like the fedex c.e.o. say i am not worried. >>guest: i disagree with fred smith. first of all, if you take the top 100 fortune 500 companies and added all their capital investment together, it would not, you would not scratch the surface compared to the capital investment, almost 18 million small businesses invest in each year.
>>eric: president obama taking the tax hike show on road to america's c.e.o. touting higher taxes today at a business roundtable. small businesses say the hikes he wants will kill jobs but at least one big business ain't buying it. here is what the fedex c.e.o. says, there is a lost mythology in washington, dc such as small business creates all the jobs in the united states, and if you raise the rates on the top 2 percent you kill jobs. the reality is the vast majority of jobs in the...
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to budge on tax rates for the wealthy. harry reid had this for the republicans. >> i sympathize sympathize with john boehner. the tea party has a firm grip on the republican party. we are not going to twist ourselves into contortions to please a vocal minority of the tea party. >> jennifer: that's fascinating a new approach for harry reid feeling sorry for john boehner. i'm not sure how john boehner feels about that. with me is karl frisch in washington and donny welcome back inside "the war room"." >> it's a party. >> jennifer: yeah, all good stuff. karl i'll start with you. how should democrats be handling this tea party revolt? should they do more to assist speaker boehner? >> we should be throwing gas on the fire. this is an emporer with no clothes. when we were pushed to fiscal cliff it was because john boehner promised something to the president and could not get members of his caucus do the right thing for the american people. >> i don't think we should be putting more gas on the karl what you're saying when your en
to budge on tax rates for the wealthy. harry reid had this for the republicans. >> i sympathize sympathize with john boehner. the tea party has a firm grip on the republican party. we are not going to twist ourselves into contortions to please a vocal minority of the tea party. >> jennifer: that's fascinating a new approach for harry reid feeling sorry for john boehner. i'm not sure how john boehner feels about that. with me is karl frisch in washington and donny welcome back inside...
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president obama says there will be no deal unless republicans drop opposition to raising taxes on wealthyest americans. we have more now from washington, d.c.. >> was the white house and congressional republicans put forward a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff, now, they're miles apart, gaining in their heels. the president told bloomberg tv a deal is possible, but... >> this proposal now is still out of balance. >> the plan sent yesterday offers a total of 2 tth $2 trillion in deficit reduction including $1.2 trillion in spending cuts. and00 billion in new tax revenue no. rate increases in top two percent of taxpayers. that is nonnegotiatable for the president. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it white house says the math doesn't add up. >> it's magic beebs and fairy dust. >> with just 28 days until deadline, negotiations reach aid stalemate. >> there is nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. >> there are no plans at this time for leaders to meet with the president at the while the house. it doesn't sound like he's sending out invitations any type soon. >>
president obama says there will be no deal unless republicans drop opposition to raising taxes on wealthyest americans. we have more now from washington, d.c.. >> was the white house and congressional republicans put forward a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff, now, they're miles apart, gaining in their heels. the president told bloomberg tv a deal is possible, but... >> this proposal now is still out of balance. >> the plan sent yesterday offers a total of 2 tth $2 trillion in...
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. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked to one of the earliest republicans to say, you know what, let's take a the president up on his offer to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody under $250,000 and at least take that uncertainty off the table and then continue to negotiate the rest to have later. some of the republicans are now coalessing around that view that they should give into what the president is suggesting, at least temporarily, and continue to negotiate on the rest because there's a lot of political pain here for republicans if we do get to the point where we go over the cliff because of those higher tax rate pateryers, guys. >> all right, eamon. thank you. >> the talk continues, but none of it face to face. be sure to catch a liv
. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked to one of the earliest republicans to say, you know what, let's take a the president up on his offer...
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president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me now. dana, can we expect fire woworkt the meeting this morning? >> reporter: possibly, carol. one thing that has been interesting with regard to john boehner's leader
president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that...
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president obama said basically the same thing but added one more hard line to the negotiations. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to a debt ceiling vote and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation-- which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year-- i will not play that game. >> late today the president spoke by telephone with house speaker john boehner. no specifics on what they said to each other, but it was their first conversation in a week. eventually the two sides will get down to bargaining over specifics, including entitlements. one idea may be to change the way the government measures inflation. that may sound like a small change, but, as darren gersh reports, it could have a big impact. >> reporter: if the price of oranges goes up, consumers will buy apples and other cheaper foods. we know that. economists call that switching "substitution," but that change in behavior doesn't show up in the official inflation rate. so most economists think the current consumer price ind
president obama said basically the same thing but added one more hard line to the negotiations. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to a debt ceiling vote and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation-- which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year-- i will not play that game. >> late today the president spoke by telephone with house speaker john boehner. no specifics on what...
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ambassador susan rice. >>> elsewhere, president obama has drawn a hard line on tax increases for the wealthiest of americans. rejecting an offer that republicans claim is as good as it's going to get. tracie potts joins us with the latest on this. good morning. >> reporter: right now it's looking more likely that we could, could, go over that fiscal cliff at the end of the month because right now, negotiations here are at a stand still. president obama talks to the business round table today after telling bloomberg he absolutely won't bunch. the wealthiest americans must pay more. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: he may be in a good position to wait it out. a new poll found more half of americans will blame republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> republicans do not want to touch one hair on the head of one person making over $250,000. that is the rub. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they refuse to do that. >> reporter: even other republicans are split on john boehner's plan to avoid tax hikes all together and admit negotia
ambassador susan rice. >>> elsewhere, president obama has drawn a hard line on tax increases for the wealthiest of americans. rejecting an offer that republicans claim is as good as it's going to get. tracie potts joins us with the latest on this. good morning. >> reporter: right now it's looking more likely that we could, could, go over that fiscal cliff at the end of the month because right now, negotiations here are at a stand still. president obama talks to the business round...
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president obama try this and saying there is no deal without tax hikes on the ridg with more on this,republican congresswoman dianne black of tennessee. welcome to the show. great to have you. i have to askyou aout this story that has been reaking this atrnoon. apparently the president will meet with what they're calling progressive tlk-sw hst i think this is a lot of tlent. it will parade through the white house. the president will sit down with them. are u getting the sense here that maybe the president is meeting with a few too many ople? should we stet the job on the fiscal cliff? >> i could not agree more. felt verydiscouraged the presidet this been more time c campaning thathe did of the begiing of his campaign. we need to have serious negotiations. we need our leaders, and the president was elected by the people. he needs to sit down now and the leader along with ourleaer, the speaker, and talk seriously about these plans. gerri: small busess, big business. the governor. who is lef for t predent to talk to? >> well, we also founthat the president was out at various bunesses en
president obama try this and saying there is no deal without tax hikes on the ridg with more on this,republican congresswoman dianne black of tennessee. welcome to the show. great to have you. i have to askyou aout this story that has been reaking this atrnoon. apparently the president will meet with what they're calling progressive tlk-sw hst i think this is a lot of tlent. it will parade through the white house. the president will sit down with them. are u getting the sense here that maybe...
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the gop is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow with initial claims at about 390,000, but the big story is really friday as we look to the jobs report. we believe that the effect of the payroll will be at 50,000 range due to the effect of hurricane sandy which could put our unemployment up to an 8% rate. >> all right. we'll be watching that. thanks very much to you both. we appreciate it. of course we'll be looking at this market and whether or not it loses the steam come the big rally today. ticktock, ticktock on the fiscal cliff. my thoughts on the story from timothy geithner. guess what, folks. i think we're going over the cliff. back in a moment. are system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in nu
the gop is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow with initial claims at about 390,000, but the big story is really friday as we look to the jobs report. we believe that the effect of the payroll will be at 50,000 range due to the effect of hurricane sandy which could put our unemployment up to an 8% rate. >> all right. we'll be watching that. thanks very much to you both. we...
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obama doesn't have a mandate to raise taxes. george bush cut taxes with a minus half a million margin in the polls. so if that isn't enough of a mandate to do something about taxes, what is with the loss? >> we're going to miss you congressman frank. ending an incredible career in massachusetts. thank you so much. we're going to have you back, if we can. >> i'll be around. >> i'm going to ask you what you miss positively and negatively from the congress. thank for coming on tonight. >> you're welcome. >>> when we return, let me finish with whether the politicians will be able to do what's necessary this this month. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> let me finish tonight with something important about leave leading this country through a difficult time. it's about barack obama's job description. if you read the newspapers, you see the fiscal catastrophe of greece. right now, the world is looking at us. the whole world. people as far away as hong kong. people have to make sharp decision about money and they a
obama doesn't have a mandate to raise taxes. george bush cut taxes with a minus half a million margin in the polls. so if that isn't enough of a mandate to do something about taxes, what is with the loss? >> we're going to miss you congressman frank. ending an incredible career in massachusetts. thank you so much. we're going to have you back, if we can. >> i'll be around. >> i'm going to ask you what you miss positively and negatively from the congress. thank for coming on...
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president obama trying to argue the republican plan wouldn't work suggested that the g.o.p. would eliminate charitable deductions altogether. >> if you eliminate charitable deductions, ever hospital and university and non-for profit agency, across the country would find themselves on the verge of collapse. >> destroying every charity in the country as a powerful political argument no republican plan to eliminate the charitable deductions. oddly enough the president himself long favored capping deductions at 28%. also in his current budget. >> a different way to do that, that would raise $600 billion over ten years. >> analysts say that 50 $50,000 cap the g.o.p. suggested would raise more than that. some $750 billion. the arguement that limiting deductions would hurt charities was dismissed by mr. obama himself back in 2009. >> i think this was a good idea. a realistic way for to us raise revenue from people who benefited enormously in the last several years. >> making the wealthy pay is not the focus of the charitable community. it fear money charity would have received in d
president obama trying to argue the republican plan wouldn't work suggested that the g.o.p. would eliminate charitable deductions altogether. >> if you eliminate charitable deductions, ever hospital and university and non-for profit agency, across the country would find themselves on the verge of collapse. >> destroying every charity in the country as a powerful political argument no republican plan to eliminate the charitable deductions. oddly enough the president himself long...
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. >>> president obama appears to be winning support for his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy to help deal with the so called fiscal cliff. ktvu's rita williams reports on the court of public opinion and why it may not be enough. >> reporter: what do you think? will the president in congress send the country plunging over the fiscal cliff. >> i don't think they'll reach it. i don't know what they will do then. >> i am hoping and praying they do. come together. >> i am hoping it will be by the end of the year. >> do you think they will reach an agreement or not? >> i don't. >> reporter: a poll shows more americans think they will not agree. 49 to 40%. and if they don't an automatic spending cuts and tax increases take effect. americans by two to one say they will blame republicans more than the president. but that didn't stop both sides from criticizing the others proposals. >> his proposal was so outlandish, i don't think we should go back to the table until he puts something there that we can work there. >> when you look at the map it doesn't work. >> reporter: an attempt take place
. >>> president obama appears to be winning support for his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy to help deal with the so called fiscal cliff. ktvu's rita williams reports on the court of public opinion and why it may not be enough. >> reporter: what do you think? will the president in congress send the country plunging over the fiscal cliff. >> i don't think they'll reach it. i don't know what they will do then. >> i am hoping and praying they do. come together....
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liz: president obama met with ceos head of the looming deadline for tax cuts and spending cuts. david: a fiscal deal could be reached in a week. rich edson with the latest. it was an off the record meeting. this is a meeting that affects all of us. speak of the business roundtable says all the meetings are off the table and they have the initial remarks live and available to the press. in that the president did say we could settle this issue in a week if republicans relent on their position for taxes. offering $800 billion in tax revenue, coming from only closing loopholes and seductions, no to a tax rate increase for the president says it is making $250,000 or more, tax rates are going up. >> we will not raise them just out of spite, but rather because the need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, think he has an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that could pass both chambers of commerce. if you look at the plans the white house has talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the c
liz: president obama met with ceos head of the looming deadline for tax cuts and spending cuts. david: a fiscal deal could be reached in a week. rich edson with the latest. it was an off the record meeting. this is a meeting that affects all of us. speak of the business roundtable says all the meetings are off the table and they have the initial remarks live and available to the press. in that the president did say we could settle this issue in a week if republicans relent on their position for...
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obama doesn't have a mandate to raise taxes. george bush cut taxes with a minus half a million mar jib gi the polls. so if that isn't enough of a mandate to do something about taxes, what is with the loss? >> we're going to miss you congressman frank. ending an incredible career in massachusetts. thank you so much. we're going to have you back, if we can. >> i'll be around. >> i'm going to ask you what you miss positively and negatively from the congress. thank for coming on tonight. >> you're welcome. >>> when we return, let me finish with whether the politicians will be able to do what's necessary this this month. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. should be in charge of their own future. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you
obama doesn't have a mandate to raise taxes. george bush cut taxes with a minus half a million mar jib gi the polls. so if that isn't enough of a mandate to do something about taxes, what is with the loss? >> we're going to miss you congressman frank. ending an incredible career in massachusetts. thank you so much. we're going to have you back, if we can. >> i'll be around. >> i'm going to ask you what you miss positively and negatively from the congress. thank for coming on...
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i think it gives obama even higher political ground than he has now. he already has political high ground. he already has a strong position. he may not even have to do this politically. but i think that this would send if he did it, it would send a signal to the corporate world that okay, this guy he's not -- he doesn't want to just raise everybody's taxes willy-nilly. he's talking sense to us. he's talking our language. maybe if he's going to give us a little, we could give him a little. he gets the corporate people on his side and they start pressuring the republicans even more. >> jennifer: i actually like this a lot. i mean -- i think the effective tax rate which is really the rate that everybody really pays when you include the loopholes is somewhere in the mid-20s right? mid 20%. i might go lower than you would go so then you have the corporate community on your side for both tax reform, corporate tax reform and you would have them hopefully lobbying congress on your behalf regarding the debt ceiling because they don't like that whole congress ho
i think it gives obama even higher political ground than he has now. he already has political high ground. he already has a strong position. he may not even have to do this politically. but i think that this would send if he did it, it would send a signal to the corporate world that okay, this guy he's not -- he doesn't want to just raise everybody's taxes willy-nilly. he's talking sense to us. he's talking our language. maybe if he's going to give us a little, we could give him a little. he...
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. >>> president obama appears to be winning support for his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy to help deal with the so called fiscal cliff. ktvu's rita williams reports on the court of public opinion and why it may not be enough. >> reporter: what do you think? will the president in congress send the country plunging over the fiscal cliff. >> i don't think they'll reach it. i don't know what they will do then. >> i am hoping and praying they do. come together. >> i am hoping it will be by the end of the year. >> do you think they will reach an agreement or not? >> i don't. >> reporter: a poll shows more americans think they will not agree. 49 to 40%. and if they don't an automatic spending cuts and tax increases take effect. americans by two to one say they will blame republicans more than the president. but that didn't stop both sides from criticizing the others proposals. >> his proposal was so outlandish, i don't think we should go back to the table until he puts something there that we can work there. >> when you look at the map it doesn't work. >> reporter: an attempt take place
. >>> president obama appears to be winning support for his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy to help deal with the so called fiscal cliff. ktvu's rita williams reports on the court of public opinion and why it may not be enough. >> reporter: what do you think? will the president in congress send the country plunging over the fiscal cliff. >> i don't think they'll reach it. i don't know what they will do then. >> i am hoping and praying they do. come together....
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then its sprang back to life as part of the extension of the bush tax cuts that president obama signed into law. you have a debate -- very few members dispute that it needs to be continued. the debate is over whether you continue it at the current level. there is an exemption level, $10 million for a couple. or at the white house would prefer a 45% rate. that is the debate right now. there's a split among democrats. the white house wants a less generous estate tax. max-leaning states like baucu baucus. host: that was the headline recently in "the wall street journal," showing the senators. at its highest, was that was the estate tax? how many people did the estate tax affect? guest: we are talking tens of thousands. right now it affects 3000 the estates. the exemption level is set high historical novel. it has come down significantly. big argument from conservatives is it hits small businesses and farms. the number a hits is a small fraction. host: if nothing happens, what happens to the estate tax? guest: then it goes back to the levels of an exemption of $1 million. host: and that co
then its sprang back to life as part of the extension of the bush tax cuts that president obama signed into law. you have a debate -- very few members dispute that it needs to be continued. the debate is over whether you continue it at the current level. there is an exemption level, $10 million for a couple. or at the white house would prefer a 45% rate. that is the debate right now. there's a split among democrats. the white house wants a less generous estate tax. max-leaning states like baucu...
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medicare cuts they want, the trillion dollars in spending cuts president obama agreed to, hundreds of billions in additional cuts, ending the payroll tax break, ending jobless benefits and they get the opportunity to create a new debt ceiling crisis in a few months. that's on the republican side, what the republicans get in their proposal. what do the democrats get in their proposal? they get this. a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next year. ta da! a fair and balanced middle ground. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> yes. balance. here's the amazing part, though. after congressional republicans released their plan yesterday, which gives them everything they want and promises democrats that they might get something undefined that they might want maybe some time in the future. we'll talk about it later. after they put forth that sweet deal, this was the reaction from the beltway's conservative class. this is genius. sadly, this plan leaves conservatives wanting. wanting what exactly? the
medicare cuts they want, the trillion dollars in spending cuts president obama agreed to, hundreds of billions in additional cuts, ending the payroll tax break, ending jobless benefits and they get the opportunity to create a new debt ceiling crisis in a few months. that's on the republican side, what the republicans get in their proposal. what do the democrats get in their proposal? they get this. a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next...
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cet will head out to washington as president obama is pushing forward his tax for the wealthy agenda. george osbourne is going to update today. the chancellor will have his work cut out to meet his target of eradicating the federal deficit by 2015 as well as securing a fall to gdp ratio. also expected further pressure with a cut to its growth forecast. steve is braving rather inclement british winter weather outside the houses of parliament. >> lovely. >> i know you like it. how much is it going to be raining on george osbourne's parade? >> it's going to rain on his parade. you just nailed it, ross. three things which are going to come up today, which he has very little control over. one is that obr reckoning on the uk economy. thought only back in march it was going to grow -- pain a negative growth for the year. next year they thought it was going to be 2% growth. it's probably only going to be 1%. in terms of those two targets you mentioned, eradicating the structural deficit in a five-year period, that's going to have another couple of years. >> right. now, there we go. you can se
cet will head out to washington as president obama is pushing forward his tax for the wealthy agenda. george osbourne is going to update today. the chancellor will have his work cut out to meet his target of eradicating the federal deficit by 2015 as well as securing a fall to gdp ratio. also expected further pressure with a cut to its growth forecast. steve is braving rather inclement british winter weather outside the houses of parliament. >> lovely. >> i know you like it. how...
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